I was fresh out of dropping out of university at the time. So what I mean by that is, I knew how to do my job, I knew how to be a designer, I knew how to do the work that I was getting paid to do, but it didn't know how to run a business because I'd never run a business. Steve Folland: So how did you find it, was it quite change? It's just that kind of how I fell into freelancing. I don't even recommend people, like there's no way to even give advice on do what I did. So almost immediately, not only have we become freelance, but you actually have clients. I actually still don't know how to write a resume because I've never actually written one. I think I did end up going to the library that day instead, but I went to the library to look up how to start a business in Canada instead of how to write a resume. So I kind of started with kind of a quite a few clients to work with kind of by accident like I said. How about you let us know where you're going to go next in terms of jobs because we'd love to take our business there." And after I got a handful of those calls, I was like, entrepreneur freelance light bulb goes off in my head and I was like, what if I just start working with these people and that's what I did. Paul Jarvis: But the day after I quit, I started to get calls from the clients at the agency saying like, "Hey Paul, we liked working with you more than we liked working with the agency. I was gonna go, I was actually gonna go to the library to look up how to write a resume because one, the internet only had about six pages on it back then and two, I'd never actually written a resume, so I didn't know how to do that. I didn't like the way that they were treating their clients, so I decided that I wanted to quit and I wanted to go find basically another agency job. So what I mean by that is, I was working at an agency at the time in Toronto, Canada and I liked the clients that we were working with, but it didn't like the way that the agency was run. Paul Jarvis: This was actually an accident. Steve Folland: As ever, how about we get started, hearing how you got started being freelance.
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